Well, after this they'll be 2 of us they can point a finger at
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1st off: There is no apology on your part necessary here. After all you've done, in particular after all that you have lost recently, and still continued and put out another absolutely great Ultimate Edition version (1.8 64bit), it would be ultimately ridiculous of me to expect an apology from you. On the contrary my friend, HAD I been one of those that were on here continually asking when it's coming (for being to lazy to scan the forum to see MANY other instances of your answers to the ones that had already inquired as to when it was coming out and the other responses from staff and members alike as to WHY Ultimate Edition gets released in the fashion it does, I would be the one who owed YOU an apology.
2nd: YOU, TheeMahn, are not responsible for problems with any of the published software that you include with your package. You have gathered together what other *nix flavors (Kubuntu, Mint, etc...) haven't and have made an exceptionally easy to install an OS packed with ready-to-go programs/apps to get any user up and running with very minimum expense of having to do much of anything else. (hardware issues I will address next) So no, noone can justifiably hold you responsible for others software not working or being incompatible. As far as Wine and Java, personally, if I want to run MS programs, I could get Wine and Java and install them myself (which I did when I was running 8.04 over in Ubuntu). And I would know that I could come here to this forum and get all the help I needed if I had any problems. Besides, I came over here to get away from MS. But since I run a couple of Apps that is not avail here on the *nix side, I have to either run them under Wine or dual boot with Windows and run under Windows. I do however, greatly appreciate the fact that you have included it, as well as a whole host of other program/apps so I didin't have to go find them myself. No, I'm not gonna cry in my Wheaties just because it's not in 1.8 32bit.
3rd: Hardware!! Well, well, well. For anyone to even try to claim or hold Ultimate responsible for not working with their hardware is absolutely ludicrous. Let's get down to the nitty gritty here. WHO went and bought their systems, WHO makes the decision in what gets installed on the system, WHO makes the decision to try and upgrade (by hardware or software) their systems. Well by thunder I can tell you WHO it ISN"T. That's right!! It's not TheeMahn. IT"S YOU! The Buyer and user of said system. Noone is twisting your arm to installing anything on YOUR system. If it's a hardware compatibility problem with the software, the ones, AND ONLY ONES, you should be bitchin' too is the store you bought it from or the brand company that made it, or the component manufacturer that made it. OH, it ran fine under Windows you say. OK, no problem, here's the solution, GO BACK TO WINDOWS and deal with the same slowA@)(U* OS you just ran away from coming here.
Almost any *nix system is going to blow Windows out the water. ULTIMATE EDITION blows nearly all of them out the water. Windows & even some other *nix OS's. Hardware you say. I made my living putting hardware together. Why did I have the very minimum of problems. Because I did like it says in my signature here. Read & Heed. Rule #1: Research, Rule #2: Read, Rule #3: Repeat 1 & 2. No piece of hardware or software is gonna work with absolutely everything. That's just common sense that can be applied across life in general. Is there just 1 kind of shovel in the world that can dig a hole??
Folks, do yourself a favor and just put a little extra time in reading and researching before opening mouth and inserting foot. If you see a really really neat piece of hardware or software somewhere around, go home, get on the web, and do a little research and reading to see if it's gonna work as advertised for you. Scan the company website under support, search for forums that talk about it, then scan the forum to see if it's already been addressed. It's that easy.
TheeMahn, you already know you have my ultimate respect, and that I sincerely appreciate all the work you do and what you go through. Whatever decision you make from all this is fine by me. Ya wanna shut it down?? I'm behind ya all the way. Just one thing tho'. I'll miss all this dam near as much as I miss seeing my kids and grandkids sometimes. And in particular, I'll mis looking forward to Ultimate Edition packages, anticipating how much better it's gonna be over the last one, because I know without doubt it's being all put together by someone who cares more about what they're doing than I can honestly say anyone else I know. But I'll there with ya brother in whatever ya wanna do
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Edit: Don't stop me now I'm onna roll!!! Oh Yeah...What I do apologize here for is for leaving out another very important ingredient to the Ultimate Editions: THE STAFF, be it in the forum or elsewhere, and the Testers. But ya already know I loves ya'll too
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