TheeMahn wrote:I tried to open an eye to mate developers, quite frankly shocks me at the minimal compare data from our repo and what they have. Well now this deb has zero errors the same package w/o error, and adopt it. I wrote software for one porpose and that was not to fix thier errors.
I tell you man, you're so smart that half the time I don't know what you're talking about. But I'm guessing that MATE has errors and you attempted to show them, but... your software doesn't fix them (the ones in MATE). That's cool, I wouldn't expect you to spend time writing code to deal with someone else's stuff. And people probably appreciate the fact that your distro is a big deal and takes priority. Besides, MATE is... Well, you know when you see one of those Chinese copies of the Honda Helix? At first, you think, "Wow, that's a Honda Helix." But then you get on it, start it up, take it for a ride, and it doesn't handle quite like a Helix, it doesn't have the acceleration or top speed, and... when that truck pulls out in front of you and you automatically try to avoid it in the same way that you would if you were riding your good old Helix... you end up getting Highly Annoyed because it's not close enough to an actual Helix to empower you to not wreck. Some time ago, GNOME 2.x was no longer (supported). I tried GNOME 3 because I assumed it'd be GNOME 2.x with some improvements (my mistake). Then I read that MATE was a fork of GNOME 2.x, that it was a continuation of it, kind of the GNOME 2.x with improvements that I wanted. So I tried it. It did remind me strongly of G2.x - so much so that I kept expecting it to be G2.x, and I kept running into problems with things not working right for me. It quickly became so annoying that I decided to stop even trying to use it and search for something better. (Personally, I strongly dislike GNOME3. But that's just a personal choice kind of thing and I have nothing against its developers. I give them credit for doing their own thing and not deciding to build a cheap Chinese knockoff of a great product (err... so to speak).
Anyway, at that point I tried XFCE, something that I'd only glanced at years previous (I think it might have been the then-new 2.x version?) I was amazed! Here was the DE that did everything that I need it to do, nothing that I didn't want, no useless time-wasting distractions, and that seemed to operate in an intuitive way. It turned out that XFCE was the DE that GNOME2.x
should have been. Best of all, it worked on my old hardware.
So I was just hoping that at some point in the future (or now, if one already exists), there'd be an Ultimate Edition that had XFCE in its boot menu. I'm thinking that there was one like that around 3.0 or somewhere thereabouts, but I could be wrong. I definitely remember one that had several choices (XBMC was one, I believe).
[EDIT: I misremembered - that was a different version, the one that included XFCE was Ultimate Edition 2.9.]It was never my intention to p!ss you off
. I've used your distro in the past (and I loved it) and intend to do so in the future. Right now, I have a ten+ year old low-budget (when new) desktop that's wanting a low-resource OS. I'm not sure how well it would function with one of the higher-load DEs.
TheeMahn wrote:I do not care how you slice it up a perfect world is coming at least from the software side.
Thankfully, there'll never be a perfect
anything as long as human beings hold the reins. I like good old-fashioned "pretty good." Occasionally, I'll get to try "great." Today I went on a pretty good walk. Tomorrow, if I'm far luckier than I deserve to be, maybe the walk I'll go will be great. If, OtoH, it turns out to be perfect... Well, there won't be any point in going on any more walks, how could I better perfect?
In striving to do a thing better, we better ourselves. To attain perfection, however, is the first step of suicide.
TheeMahn wrote:Try as you must to dice it up KDE, Android it is coming
KDE is going to turn into Android? Well, that'd be one way to improve it, I guess. But I've read that the non-touchscreen Android devices (IOW, those gizmos that connect to a television) don't always please because everything is being controlled by a keyboard/mouse(pad). I am guessing that the vast majority of desktops and even laptops still don't have a touchscreen. So... That's probably not going to make many KDE users very happy.
But that's not my concern. I don't use KDE. I used to like it (at the time, it was my second favorite DE and I'd boot into it about ¼ of the time for the variety. But then I ended up being upgraded(±) to (I think it was) version 4. They must have decided that, since Microsoft Windows DE had such a big market share, that they'd change to look more like it in order to garner more users. I wish they'd have read about the "new Coke" fiasco instead...
TheeMahn wrote:and nothing can be done about it, no I grant you not 1000's of programmers 1 individual and 1 nasty application with years of development from one individual.
Err... You've lost me again. One person owns it? Or you mean, like, some DB in the government is planning something nefarious (as usual)? Or someone who feels a need to "help out" like those people who eventually started that Cloudflare service after they got bored with doing computer-based entrapment projects for Uncle Sam?
TheeMahn wrote:I won't deny it... I was prior a cracker and fully understand reverse engineering. I have dropped many a fella offline permanently.
Hmm... Probably not (I know it's a small world, but...), but... CMG? Been a while since I read about any entertaining Click Click BOOM incidents
.
TheeMahn wrote:It has been greater then 7 years ago so FBI etc. Statuate of limitations, infers release me of my prior malicious tasks.
Hey, no worries, lots of us are walking the streets today thanks to that. :thumbs:
TheeMahn wrote:I did not rape or kill.
That's good to know; I make it a point to not associate with anyone who is a rapist or who has killed someone (who didn't deserve it or and/or was not polluting the gene pool).
TheeMahn wrote:I have spent since 2006 turning over a new leaf to ensure perfection for all.
Turn over the leaf, but please don't kill the tree - every once in a while some entity arises and, well... Never abandon a useful skill when it may serve the greater good in the future.
TheeMahn wrote:Even though you personally can not see it today, I can ensure you it is coming.
I used to think, at my age (mid-40s now) and much less than stellar health, that I'd never see things get so bad that a blind man could see them. Sadly, it looks like even I'll still be alive at that point (probably not much longer, in any case). I might not be well-versed in computer skills, I generally have to rely on others for electronic "self-defense," and my computer hardware is falling apart. But I know a thing or two about other things, lol, and have been known to miss a meal or three in order to be able to purchase... other... types of self-defense hardware. So when calamity ensues, I'll probably be better off if some event kills the Internet and anything even vaguely like it. Only thing I truly care about electronics-wise is that the library I've accumulated survive in some form that whatever eventually achieves the combination of sapience and opposable thumbs after the human race consumes itself, so that they (whoever/whatever "they" might be) might one day be able to comprehend it and learn from our mistakes.
In the meantime, well, I live in an OC state and exercise that right every time I leave the house. It keeps the vultures from circling too close (among other benefits).
TheeMahn wrote:I have been hearing the Matrix, Terminator kinda things. A poor interpresentaion of the future.
I didn't watch either of those movies, but I gather... intelligent computers for the former and aliens for the latter? Nah, the mouthbreathers I mean the majority seem to be wholly concerned with "social" media and destroying language, and I seriously doubt that aliens would be interested enough to ever land (unless there happened to be a market for industrial pollution in job lots and general ill will). Rest assured, it'll be humans(±) who do humans in. FFS, we're almost there now.
TheeMahn wrote:I have watched repostorm "repair" itself it is not bulletproof, by any standards. One could then question what is the standards. I have openly showed the damage it can encure and has thusfar went un-noticed. I prefer it that way advancment continues, when the smoke settles they are no more; don't say I did not say so. I will live on an island I just paid for and deligate authority for your better good, one then questions what I preceive is "your better good".
You going to take RepoStorm commercial, then, I take it? Good - the world of linux needs more commercial software. I'm not one of those cripple-headed dreamers who think that absolutely everything in the world ought to be free (I bet they wouldn't be, either, if on payday their boss announced, "Good news, everyone, everything you did this week was free, because we've gone non-commercial!"). I appreciate that which is, but understand that people either have to make a living or I'll end up having to pay even more when the welfare lines get longer. And since I've lived on the thin edge of nothing rather than stand in that line, I don't think I can take reading about much more welfare sh!t.
One thing, though: Your island? Pick one with a high plateau on it (or build with waterproof materials and learn to swim to the mailbox).
omeone else's stuff. And people probably appreciate the fact that your distro is a big deal and takes priority. Besides, MATE is... Well, you know when you see one of those Chinese copies of the Honda Helix? At first, you think, "Wow, that's a Honda Helix." But then you get on it, start it up, take it for a ride, and it doesn't handle quite like a Helix, it doesn't have the acceleration or top speed, and... when that truck pulls out in front of you and you automatically try to avoid it in the same way that you would if you were riding your good old Helix... you end up getting Highly Annoyed because it's not close enough to an actual Helix to empower you to not wreck. Some time ago, GNOME 2.x was no longer (supported). I tried GNOME 3 because I assumed it'd be GNOME 2.x with some improvements (my mistake). Then I read that MATE was a fork of GNOME 2.x, that it was a continuation of it, kind of the GNOME 2.x with improvements that I wanted. So I tried it. It did remind me strongly of G2.x - so much so that I kept expecting it to be G2.x, and I kept running into problems with things not working right for me. It quickly became so annoying that I decided to stop even trying to use it and search for something better. (Personally, I strongly dislike GNOME3. But that's just a personal choice kind of thing and I have nothing against its developers. I give its developers credit for doing their own thing and not deciding to build a cheap Chinese knockoff of a great product (err... so to speak).
Anyway, at that point I tried XFCE, something that I'd only glanced at years previous (I think it might have been the then-new 2.x version?) I was amazed! Here was the DE that did everything that I need it to do, nothing that I didn't want, no useless time-wasting distractions, and that seemed to operate in an intuitive way. It turned out that XFCE was the DE that GNOME2.x
should have been. Best of all, it worked on my old hardware.
So I was just hoping that at some point in the future (or now, if one already exists), there'd be an Ultimate Edition that had XFCE in its boot menu. I'm thinking that there was one like that around 3.0 or somewhere thereabouts, but I could be wrong. I definitely remember one that had several choices (XBMC was one, I believe).
It was never my intention to p!ss you off
. I've used your distro in the past (and I loved it) and intend to do so in the future. Right now, I have a ten+ year old low-budget (when new) desktop that's wanting a low-resource OS. I'm not sure how well it would function with one of the higher-load DEs.
TheeMahn wrote:I do not care how you slice it up a perfect world is coming at least from the software side.
Thankfully, there'll never be a perfect
anything as long as human beings hold the reins. I like good old-fashioned "pretty good." Occasionally, I'll get to try "great." Today I went on a pretty good walk. Tomorrow, if I'm far luckier than I deserve to be, maybe the walk I'll go will be great. If, OtoH, it turns out to be perfect... Well, there won't be any point in going on any more walks, how could I better perfect?
In striving to do a thing better, we better ourselves. To attain perfection, however, is the first step of suicide.
TheeMahn wrote:Try as you must to dice it up KDE, Android it is coming
KDE is going to turn into Android? Well, that'd be one way to improve it, I guess. But I've read that the non-touchscreen Android devices (IOW, those gizmos that connect to a television) don't always please because everything is being controlled by a keyboard/mouse(pad). I am guessing that the vast majority of desktops and even laptops still don't have a touchscreen. So... That's probably not going to make many KDE users very happy.
But that's not my concern. I don't use KDE. I used to like it (at the time, it was my second favorite DE and I'd boot into it about ¼ of the time for the variety. But then I ended up being upgraded(±) to (I think it was) version 4. They must have decided that, since Microsoft Windows DE had such a big market share, that they'd change to look more like it in order to garner more users. I wish they'd have read about the "new Coke" fiasco instead...
TheeMahn wrote:and nothing can be done about it, no I grant you not 1000's of programmers 1 individual and 1 nasty application with years of development from one individual.
Err... You've lost me again. One person owns it? Or you mean, like, some DB in the government is planning something nefarious (as usual)? Or someone who feels a need to "help out" like those people who eventually started that Cloudflare service after they got bored with doing computer-based entrapment projects for Uncle Sam?
TheeMahn wrote:I won't deny it... I was prior a cracker and fully understand reverse engineering. I have dropped many a fella offline permanently.
Hmm... Probably not (I know it's a small world, but...), but... CMG? Been a while since I read about any entertaining Click Click BOOM incidents
.
TheeMahn wrote:It has been greater then 7 years ago so FBI etc. Statuate of limitations, infers release me of my prior malicious tasks.
Hey, no worries, lots of us are walking the streets today thanks to that. :thumbs:
TheeMahn wrote:I did not rape or kill.
That's good to know; I make it a point to not associate with anyone who is a rapist or who has killed someone (who didn't deserve it or and/or was not polluting the gene pool).
TheeMahn wrote:I have spent since 2006 turning over a new leaf to ensure perfection for all.
Turn over the leaf, but please don't kill the tree - every once in a while some entity arises and, well... Never abandon a useful skill when it may serve the greater good in the future.
TheeMahn wrote:Even though you personally can not see it today, I can ensure you it is coming.
I used to think, at my age (mid-40s now) and much less than stellar health, that I'd never see things get so bad that a blind man could see them. Sadly, it looks like even I'll still be alive at that point (probably not much longer, in any case). I might not be well-versed in computer skills, I generally have to rely on others for electronic "self-defense," and my computer hardware is falling apart. But I know a thing or two about other things, lol, and have been known to miss a meal or three in order to be able to purchase... other... types of self-defense hardware. So when calamity ensues, I'll probably be better off if some event kills the Internet and anything even vaguely like it. Only thing I truly care about electronics-wise is that the library I've accumulated survive in some form that whatever eventually achieves the combination of sapience and opposable thumbs after the human race consumes itself, so that they (whoever/whatever "they" might be) might one day be able to comprehend it and learn from our mistakes.
In the meantime, well, I live in an OC state and exercise that right every time I leave the house. It keeps the vultures from circling too close (among other benefits).
TheeMahn wrote:I have been hearing the Matrix, Terminator kinda things. A poor interpresentaion of the future.
I didn't watch either of those movies, but I gather... intelligent computers for the former and aliens for the latter? Nah, the mouthbreathers I mean the majority seem to be wholly concerned with "social" media and destroying language, and I seriously doubt that aliens would be interested enough to ever land (unless there happened to be a market for industrial pollution in job lots and general ill will). Rest assured, it'll be humans(±) who do humans in. FFS, we're almost there now.
TheeMahn wrote:I have watched repostorm "repair" itself it is not bulletproof, by any standards. One could then question what is the standards. I have openly showed the damage it can encure and has thusfar went un-noticed. I prefer it that way advancment continues, when the smoke settles they are no more; don't say I did not say so. I will live on an island I just paid for and deligate authority for your better good, one then questions what I preceive is "your better good".
You going to take RepoStorm commercial, then, I take it? Good - the world of linux needs more commercial software. I'm not one of those cripple-headed dreamers who think that absolutely everything in the world ought to be free (I bet they wouldn't be, either, if on payday their boss announced, "Good news, everyone, everything you did this week was free, because we've gone non-commercial!"). I appreciate that which is, but understand that people either have to make a living or I'll end up having to pay even more when the welfare lines get longer. And since I've lived on the thin edge of nothing rather than stand in that line, I don't think I can take reading about much more welfare sh!t.
One thing, though: Your island? Pick one with a high plateau on it (or build with waterproof materials and learn to swim to the mailbox).
TheeMahn wrote:Even my GF calls me Cocky, if she can get over it so can you.
Hey, like that obnoxious, but somewhat talented goof sings about being cocky, "It ain't braggin' motherf***er if ya back it up." So I have no issues. Well, lol, no issues with your not being afraid to show your talents, I mean (personally... yeah, some say I might have
a few....). And, BtW,
TheeMahn wrote:Even my GF calls me Cocky, if she can get over it so can you.
Hey, like that obnoxious, but somewhat talented goof sings about being cocky, "It ain't braggin' motherf***er if ya back it up." So I have no issues. Well, lol, no issues with your not being afraid to show your talents, I mean (personally... yeah, some say I might have
a few....). And, BtW, whenever I used to try to get some chick or other to quit sniffing around me by being obnoxious and kind of rude, she'd just start panting. All politically-correct BS aside, I think a lot of them are hardwired that way. So she might think you're a cocky SoB - but I bet she aint going anywhere
.
So... I still don't know if you're planning on - or at least considering - adding XFCE to the default Ultimate Edition installation. I've read a rumor that its developers are hoping to release 4.12 before Christmas (although they have missed self-imposed deadlines big time in the past and I learned several years ago from beta-testing... a non personal computer entertainment hardware device... what kind of output one gets when one demands that the developer produce something
right now instead of When It's Ready(!), so I'm not holding my breath). I'd love to see an Ultimate release with XFCE 4.12 in it. But 4.10 is working pretty doggone good right now, lol <HINT HINT>.
(As always,) Warmest regards and thanks for everything you do,
Driver
.
