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Let's try this again...

10-day newbie to Linux and all of its wonderfulness. Networking experience limited to configuring a small home/office Windows network. UU2.5 is my first introduction to the OS, but there are so many applications in it--that's a good thing if you know what they're for--I installed a vanilla Ubuntu 9.10 on a second dual-boot computer to help me figure things out.

I've made some progress but still have many questions, so I'll post one topic at a time. This first one deals with getting all the devices to talk to one another. There are many connection scenarios: some work, some don't--probably due to a combination of configuration and permission errors. After exploring samba, smb, smbfs, and ssh, confusion reigns.

Here's a list--specific device info is in the signature:

A) UU2.5 to C) XP connects
C) XP to A) UU2.5 connects

A) UU2.5 to B) Windows 7 can't connect
B) Windows 7 to A) UU2.5 can't connect
--I think I saw a bug report about connecting to Windows 7. Can anyone confirm this and if so are there any workarounds?

A) UU2.5 to B) Ubuntu 9.10 connects
B) Ubuntu 9.10 to A) UU2.5 can't connect (times out when logging in)

B) Ubuntu 9.10 to C) XP connects
C) XP to B) Ubuntu 9.10 can't connect (password dialogue box comes up; I enter my password but it's not accepted

B) Ubuntu 9.10 to A) Vista connects
A) Vista to B) Ubuntu 9.10 (no password dialogue box comes up)

A) UU2.5 to D) NAS connects
B) Ubuntu 9.10 to D) NAS connects

If this info isn't clear, please let me know and I'll revise.

Thanks.
gftd

gftd wrote:Let's try this again...

10-day newbie to Linux and all of its wonderfulness. Networking experience limited to configuring a small home/office Windows network. UU2.5 is my first introduction to the OS, but there are so many applications in it--that's a good thing if you know what they're for--I installed a vanilla Ubuntu 9.10 on a second dual-boot computer to help me figure things out.

I've made some progress but still have many questions, so I'll post one topic at a time. This first one deals with getting all the devices to talk to one another. There are many connection scenarios: some work, some don't--probably due to a combination of configuration and permission errors. After exploring samba, smb, smbfs, and ssh, confusion reigns.

Here's a list--specific device info is in the signature:

A) UU2.5 to C) XP connects
C) XP to A) UU2.5 connects

This one works both ways, correct?

A) UU2.5 to B) Windows 7 can't connect

You need to enable NTFS support/access - see below.

B) Windows 7 to A) UU2.5 can't connect
--I think I saw a bug report about connecting to Windows 7. Can anyone confirm this and if so are there any workarounds?

Not sure on this one - will need to reboot into Vista or WIN 7 to check - I never try accessing NTFS from my Ultimate Edition (just my preference).

[quoteA) UU2.5 to B) Ubuntu 9.10 connects
B) Ubuntu 9.10 to A) UU2.5 can't connect (times out when logging in)[/quote]

See below about the Ubuntu 9.10 to Ultimate Edition 2.5 connection....

B) Ubuntu 9.10 to C) XP connects
C) XP to B) Ubuntu 9.10 can't connect (password dialogue box comes up; I enter my password but it's not accepted

See below about enabling NTFS access and support...

B) Ubuntu 9.10 to A) Vista connects
A) Vista to B) Ubuntu 9.10 (no password dialogue box comes up)

Same as Win 7 to Ubuntu above...

A) UU2.5 to D) NAS connects
B) Ubuntu 9.10 to D) NAS connects

If this info isn't clear, please let me know and I'll revise.

Thanks.
gftd[/quote]

gftd,
It looks as if you're saying you cannot see the contents of the various "other OS" drives on you system. While I do not have "vanila" Ubuntu installed, all the other OSs you specified are currently installed on this system (Shop system in my sig). I can mount and use all thise drives/partitions from within Ultimate Edition 2.5X64 (my prefered/default OS). I did not have to do anything extra special to see/connect/use those other OSs.
You must have the NTFS Configuration Tool configured to allow access to the drives/partitions that are formatted NTFS - such as WIN7, Vista, XP, etc. So... goto System>>Administration>>NTFS Configuration Tool (1st Screenshot below) and enable write support for both Internal and External Devices (3rd Screenshot below). There may be a dialog box offering to setup Mount Points for various drives or partitions the system sees (2nd Screenshot below) you may choose to set a mount point for them and they will then mount on boot. I do not set this as the drive or partitions will mount when selected and the Root password is given when prompted - this is my preference, yours may be different.







This should allow you to get some, if not all the "connections" you have described above. Give this info a try, and let me/us know if it improves any of your problems. BTW: Could you tell me what Filesystem Ubuntu 9.10 is configured for? Is it EXT3 or EXT4?
There could be a problem seeing Ultimate Edition 2.5 from Unbuntu 9.10 if the Ubuntu 9.10 is set as an EXT3 filesystem - Ultimate Edition 2.5 uses EXT4 by default unless you specified some different type of filesystem. EXT4 is a fairly new fs to Ubuntu/Ultimate Edition, and can see the "older" filesystems such as EXT3 with problem, while the EXT3 fs is not able to see and EXT4 fs (kinda like Fat32 filesystems in Windoze cannot read from an NTFS filesystem).

Hello, Getting different computers and different OS's to share can be interesting, some days everything works great, the next day something doesn't. I have found that you can't rush the connections, sometimes it takes several minutes for the computers to find each other. I just connected from this Ultimate Edition 2.5 to my windows 7 with no problem a few minutes ago. ON windows 7 make sure you have selected the all the file sharing options (Share libraries and printers) in the Homegroup. Also with in the "Network and sharing Center" select the advanced sharing settings and turn on network Discovery, file and printer sharing and the public folder sharing and any of the others you want. I also have the windows 7 connected to the Ultimate Edition 2.5 shared folders I just created.

But the best file sharing I have seen between the Ultimate Edition and Ubuntu is with Land Shark, you can see everything and easily download to which ever computer you want. Also you can make Landshark load auto with each boot by right clicking on its icon that appears on the top panel,select properties and check the Autostart box.

TexasMike--

It looks as if you're saying you cannot see the contents of the various "other OS" drives on you system. While I do not have "vanila" Ubuntu installed, all the other OSs you specified are currently installed on this system (Shop system in my sig). I can mount and use all thise drives/partitions from within Ultimate Edition 2.5X64 (my prefered/default OS). I did not have to do anything extra special to see/connect/use those other OSs.
You must have the NTFS Configuration Tool configured to allow access to the drives/partitions that are formatted NTFS - such as WIN7, Vista, XP, etc. So... goto System>>Administration>>NTFS Configuration Tool (1st Screenshot below) and enable write support for both Internal and External Devices (3rd Screenshot below). There may be a dialog box offering to setup Mount Points for various drives or partitions the system sees (2nd Screenshot below) you may choose to set a mount point for them and they will then mount on boot. I do not set this as the drive or partitions will mount when selected and the Root password is given when prompted - this is my preference, yours may be different.

I resolved all the windows-related "connection" issues before seeing your reply. (Mistakes when configuring shares, etc.) Thanks for the info regarding the NTFS Configuration Tool.

This should allow you to get some, if not all the "connections" you have described above. Give this info a try, and let me/us know if it improves any of your problems. BTW: Could you tell me what Filesystem Ubuntu 9.10 is configured for? Is it EXT3 or EXT4?
There could be a problem seeing Ultimate Edition 2.5 from Unbuntu 9.10 if the Ubuntu 9.10 is set as an EXT3 filesystem - Ultimate Edition 2.5 uses EXT4 by default unless you specified some different type of filesystem. EXT4 is a fairly new fs to Ubuntu/Ultimate Edition, and can see the "older" filesystems such as EXT3 with problem, while the EXT3 fs is not able to see and EXT4 fs (kinda like Fat32 filesystems in Windoze cannot read from an NTFS filesystem)

I think you're on to something here. The UU2.5 system is ext4 and the Ubuntu 9.10 is ext3. Who knew? When I installed UU2.5 I didn't know anything about either fs, but after installation I discovered that True Image Home--which I like using--doesn't yet support ext4, so I installed Ubuntu 9.10 with an ext3 fs on the other laptop, only to now learn that 3 has no idea that 4 exists--kind of an alternative universe deal. I seem to be going in circles, recursively. Anyway, I've heard that repeatedly chanting Ubuntu Desmond Tutu can be helpful. Any thoughts?

So, ext4 cannot go into the wayback machine and become ext3, but ext3 can go forward and morph happily into ext4? What happens when Hoppity Hare and Trembling Tarantula are released?

dathem--
Thanks for the tips, especially the one about Lanshark. I'll check it out.

gftd