live dvd difference to normal install?

[ninhalo5]

Hi everyone, I just wanted to say I am a newborn noob to linux, I've tried a few systems and almost settled on one until my friend showed me the ultimate (which it is)
I am having some issues though and I've tried looking around the net to see if I can find my answer, but I can not.
my issue has been running around and has been talked about but the answers all seem to be broken and that is why does my WiFi drivers not install?

This is what I think is strange, I have both ultimate 2.3 on DVD's the 32 bit and the 64 bit,
when using the 32 bit liveDVD everything runs perfectly. I have my WiFi and it runs great however if I click on the install button on the desktop and it installs the OS directly onto the system I lose my WiFi the same goes for the 64 bit version no WiFi on either the liveDVD or a full install.
What is the difference here?
Why is the driver; the DVD is using not being transferred to my comp?
Also as my friend has noticed (I have not) every program on the liveDVD is not being installed to the full install.

I have ran a sudo lshw -C network command here are both outcomes:

LiveDVD:

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ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo lshw -C network
  *-network               
       description: Ethernet interface
       product: RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller
       vendor: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
       physical id: 0
       bus info: pci@0000:08:00.0
       logical name: eth0
       version: 01
       serial: 00:1e:33:32:1c:77
       size: 10MB/s
       capacity: 100MB/s
       width: 64 bits
       clock: 33MHz
       capabilities: pm vpd msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list ethernet physical tp mii 10bt 10bt-fd 100bt 100bt-fd autonegotiation
       configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=r8169 driverversion=2.3LK-NAPI duplex=half latency=0 link=no module=r8169 multicast=yes port=MII speed=10MB/s
  *-network
       description: Wireless interface
       product: AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter
       vendor: Atheros Communications Inc.
       physical id: 0
       bus info: pci@0000:0e:00.0
       logical name: wmaster0
       version: 01
       serial: 00:1f:3a:68:ab:c5
       width: 64 bits
       clock: 33MHz
       capabilities: pm msi pciexpress msix bus_master cap_list logical ethernet physical wireless
       configuration: broadcast=yes driver=ath5k_pci latency=0 module=ath5k multicast=yes wireless=IEEE 802.11bg
  *-network DISABLED
       description: Ethernet interface
       physical id: 1
       logical name: pan0
       serial: f6:b6:30:ea:d4:b8
       capabilities: ethernet physical
       configuration: broadcast=yes driver=bridge driverversion=2.3 firmware=N/A link=yes multicast=yes
ubuntu@ubuntu:~$

installed:

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jeff@jeff-laptop:~$ sudo lshw -C network
[sudo] password for jeff:
  *-network               
       description: Ethernet interface
       product: RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller
       vendor: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
       physical id: 0
       bus info: pci@0000:08:00.0
       logical name: eth0
       version: 01
       serial: 00:1e:33:32:1c:77
       size: 10MB/s
       capacity: 100MB/s
       width: 64 bits
       clock: 33MHz
       capabilities: pm vpd msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list ethernet physical tp mii 10bt 10bt-fd 100bt 100bt-fd autonegotiation
       configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=r8169 driverversion=2.3LK-NAPI duplex=half latency=0 link=no module=r8169 multicast=yes port=MII speed=10MB/s
  *-network UNCLAIMED
       description: Ethernet controller
       product: AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter
       vendor: Atheros Communications Inc.
       physical id: 0
       bus info: pci@0000:0e:00.0
       version: 01
       width: 64 bits
       clock: 33MHz
       capabilities: pm msi pciexpress msix bus_master cap_list
       configuration: latency=0
  *-network DISABLED
       description: Ethernet interface
       physical id: 1
       logical name: pan0
       serial: c2:43:8d:96:12:f7
       capabilities: ethernet physical
       configuration: broadcast=yes driver=bridge driverversion=2.3 firmware=N/A link=yes multicast=yes
jeff@jeff-laptop:~$


So any ideas on what to do now? other than leave the DVD in the Rom

Thanks
Jeff

[Admin-Amir]

Hello ninhalo5 and welcome to the U.E Forum.

You have 64 bit Architecture machine.
and to get the WiFi Direct that will not work for you.
you need to update/upgrade your machine first with synaptic.
And the process has to be done with wire not with WiFi .
The drivers are not install in Advance on your machine from the start.
you can underhand way right= the disc can not cover all the drivers to any card.
So if you run the 64 bit with wired connection and update your machine,
Then your card will get the Driver for the card along the process.
BTW-there is no problem to run 32 bit on your machine,just to let you know.
32bit has there Drivers-and 64bit has there Drivers.

[ninhalo5]

Thank you for the response.
Curious though why does it work fine when I'm running the OS off the liveDVD and not via install?

It seems strange to me that I can do such a thing with using only a disk, though I am still in a Windoze way of thinking.

Now to figure out how to connect this by wire haven't done that in years lol.

I should be able to just plug a line into the back of the router and sign in that way correct?

oh BTW am I able to download the files from my PC and transfer them from a USB drive?

A fit will be made around here if I touch the router lol


Cheers
Jeff

[Admin-Amir]

ninhalo5

That is correct.
Just make sure that you install the system with DHCP connection.
This is half way that you know of right?
well here we start to learn something new for today.
UNentbootin,download this software to you MS.
then when you have the ISO on your Desktop,there you can install it on the usb flash.
then change your boot to start from flash Drive=go for the installation of the U.E

[ninhalo5]

OK I can't do any of that either next step I guess is to take the #@$#%$^& laptop outside and run it over a few times with the car

it won't hook up to the router. dhcp is on, everything is on.
I have a cable modem so I can not hook directly to the phone line.
I can not install anything via synaptic cause it needs to downloand and I can't get connected.
The UNetbootin fails every time and takes me to a initramfs command prompt (BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-3ubuntu3) Built-in shell (ash)
Enter 'help' for a list of built in commands.
(initramfs)_)

I've downloaded the files 3 times 2x in linux and 1 in windows and placed them on a usb flash and ran both default and OEM settings both come up the same way.

I don't know what else to do. I do have a usb wireless card I can try.
Its just very aggravating that everything works perfectly when I'm running off the dvd.
And as stupid as windoze is at least getting online is only 3 steps, plug in wire on router, plug other end in laptop, click connect. no problem

Being that everything works perfectly from the DVD is there a way I can extract the files being used and apply them to the full install?

Thanks
Jeff

[Admin-Amir]

Jeff looks like you miss the point here.

1- you have at this point working MS right?
you download the package for the MS right.
then install the package on MS system.

2- you have the U.E ISO right?
you insert your flash Drive,and open the UNetbootin and direct the installation
to your flash Drive!
you must have formated flash drive ready.
3- after that process was done,then you can install the U.E system on your machine.
you have to change the BIOS to boot from the flash Drive.

Being that everything works perfectly from the DVD is there a way I can extract the files being used and apply them to the full install?

If you have the U.E DVD,
you need to make unallocated partition for the U.E installation.
you can download Parted magic,burn it on Disc,Restart your machine with the Disc inside.
then let it go to Desktop,the you have Partition Editor.
you have to give the U.E 30-40 Gig space for all the installation /update/upgrade.
hope that clear the things for you.


Parted Magic:
http://partedmagic.com/download.html

Thank you
Amir.

[ninhalo5]

Jeff looks like you miss the point here.

1- you have at this point working MS right?
you download the package for the MS right.
then install the package on MS system.

yes, yes, I downloaded the installer then directed it to my usb flash

2- you have the U.E ISO right?
you insert your flash Drive,and open the UNetbootin and direct the installation
to your flash Drive!
you must have formated flash drive ready.

I have the Ultimate Edition iso burnt to DVD.
I placed in the flash drive turned on the comp and hit F12 then boot to usb memory

3- after that process was done,then you can install the U.E system on your machine.
you have to change the BIOS to boot from the flash Drive.

when the menu comes on I select the default setting and a Ubuntu flash screen comes up for about 5 minutes then dissappears to a termanal type prompt with (BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-3ubuntu3) Built-in shell (ash)
Enter 'help' for a list of built in commands.
(initramfs)

Maybe I downloaded the wrong set? I picked Ubuntu 9.04_Live

I tried downloading the files on my desktop and transferring them to the flash drive and I downloaded the linux using the connection I got with my DVD and reinstalled the files that way. nothing seemed to work.

The process seems very easy but getting my laptop to agree with me isn't as much

[Admin-Amir]

ninhalo5

Maybe I downloaded the wrong set? I picked Ubuntu 9.04_Live

WE ARE ULTIMATE EDITION NOT UBUNTU BETA 9.04
Here is the right place to download the DVD:
http://ultimateedition.info/ultimate-ed ... /#download

when the menu comes on I select the default setting and a Ubuntu flash screen comes up for about 5 minutes then dissappears to a termanal type prompt with (BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-3ubuntu3) Built-in shell (ash)
Enter 'help' for a list of built in commands.
(initramfs)

you can not install Linux on MS file system!!
That is your problem to begin with.
so I have explain to you what you have to do on the process.
and the extracting the files to the USB will not do the work.
This is software that has to be install on system=not boot system.
So please follow the process with Parted Magic ,make partition for the Ultimate Edition
Not for Ubuntu.

[ninhalo5]

ninhalo5

Maybe I downloaded the wrong set? I picked Ubuntu 9.04_Live

WE ARE ULTIMATE EDITION NOT UBUNTU BETA 9.04
Here is the right place to download the DVD:
http://ultimateedition.info/ultimate-ed ... /#download

yes, I know that, this is where I got the iso file for Ultimate Edition originally, but the UNETbootin installer give's me a list to choose from, Ultimate Edition is not a choice or am I supposed to link the Ultimate Edition ISO there? maybe that is part of the problem?

when the menu comes on I select the default setting and a Ubuntu flash screen comes up for about 5 minutes then dissappears to a termanal type prompt with (BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-3ubuntu3) Built-in shell (ash)
Enter 'help' for a list of built in commands.
(initramfs)


you can not install Linux on MS file system!!
That is your problem to begin with.
so I have explain to you what you have to do on the process.
and the extracting the files to the USB will not do the work.
This is software that has to be install on system=not boot system.
So please follow the process with Parted Magic ,make partition for the Ultimate Edition
Not for Ubuntu.

My system is a dual boot which unfortunately I still need windows.
Am I understanding correctly that I can not use the USB because windows is still installed on the laptop? and that I will have to take the Parted Magic route?
That kinda worries me, a program that I've never used before and partitions don't go together very well

Sorry Amir, I'm not trying to make this difficult, I really want to know how to do this and I am trying to understand.

[Admin-Amir]

ninhalo5

Here is how to do things with Pated Magic:
http://partedmagic.com/documentation/11 ... arted.html

My system is a dual boot which unfortunately I still need windows.
Am I understanding correctly that I can not use the USB because windows is still installed on the laptop? and that I will have to take the Parted Magic route?
That kinda worries me, a program that I've never used before and partitions don't go together very well

Sorry Amir, I'm not trying to make this difficult, I really want to know how to do this and I am trying to understand.

This is what I have ask you to do:

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now you can install MS on playonlinux :idea: