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The fate of AMD

Postby pam » Tue Jul 07, 2015 3:27 am

AMD is an Amazing company and probably one of the best.
AMD is known to invent and create standards.

Large old corporations of today are trying to compete and survive in an ecosystem they think they can own up.

AMD is going south week by week. Unable to deliver new products. AMD must reinvent its business strategy.
Part of AMD's problem stems from the fact that being an older hardware company they still dont have a production entity of
their own that they can rely on. Their chips are made by GlobalFoundries or TSMC...this depends on who has a production ready
node. That practically means AMD depends on other companies for a profit margin and then again they have to pay to keep the
production on, irrespective of whether they make any profit or not. This is based on older business models.

One Plus a new company, that has advertised from word of mouth and youtube videos, have a radically new approach to consumerism.
OnePlus devveloped a huge vaccuum in the supply chain....the demand went up exponentially. Giving correct information to consumers
is of utmost important when you target advertisement directly to an individual customer.
Intel, to my knowledge understands this( and they teases with idoicy). AMD just ignores this.

Google can have its own foundry. But that's counter-productive, which also means hiring more lawyers. They exactly know what they
are doing and what they will get into.

The PS4 sales cant help keep AMD afloat.
AMD is now concentrating on HBM via the newly released Fury X. HBM(High Bandwidth Memory) is Dead On Arrival.
The FuryX is not a consumer product, sort of an IPO(Initial Public Offering) to investors and big-spenders. It has no real value other than
to take away the performance crown from Nvidia.
AMD which has HSA around for more than a year, could have easily built a new APU with HBM for consumers. Instead they choose
to waste money to make flagship graphics cards that drive 4k games, while Nvidia released the new shield based on Android..which has
everyone drooling irrespective of its price. They could have easily have built an APU with 6 cores based on DDR4 and even that would
have me drooling....considering DDR4 is expensive.

AMD are spending more on the new Zen CPU being made by Jim Keller, again to compete with Intel, while Asus released
the zenfone 2 with a quad-core Intel chip with 4GB RAM, kicking Qualcomm in the shin.

AMD has launched into space with the intent of going to MARS but have enough fuel to reach only upto the Moon.

Anyone has the right to refute me and put up an argument. Im not here to entertain anyone's righteousness, you really need to
look at business practices and the team incharge of product development at AMD and know how obsolete their practices are.

AMD has not been able to push the real use of HSA APU's where GPGPU compute is required.
If you really need a GPGPU solution on linux, you dont have an option to use OpenCL on AMD graphics, you will only be able, with an NVIDIA CUDA Card.
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Re: The fate of AMD

Postby barney » Thu Jul 09, 2015 8:53 am

Interesting post.

As you no Pam I'm waiting to build a new pc and I really wanted and hoped that AMD would come out with something but no.

Also looking at CPU's in Australia a i7 4790k cost is $465 the AMD FX-9590 cost $315-$330 (that was the cheaper one as there is another model for $400) the AMD looked a beast and some what cheaper but when I looked at PC Park Picker I needed a larger power supply plus a much better cooler with the AMD chip so it push the price out.

It will not be good for anyone if we only have Intel and Nvidia.
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Re: The fate of AMD

Postby pam » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:10 am

The FX-9590 is a power guzzler. In my opinion not worth it.

Im an AMD guy, so I will still recommend AMD 95/125 watt CPU's versus Intel.
Apart from that fact, I love CMT, and the very same reason AMD stocks fell and fell.
My laptop CMT APU, the A8-4500 is a monster multithreader. I absolutely love it. :D

Intel CPU is OK for now. Skylake and Zen will be out next year. If you really need a system, then build a cheap one. What will be interesting to see is the use of new bus technologies from both Intel and AMD. The CPU's aren't powerful, the circuits around them will be better at keeping the cores fed. Both Intel and AMD will reach engineering milestones not on architecture/node but good use of interprocess mechanisms and internal circuit optimizations. Shrinkage is useless....

Here AMD was building server CPU's for desktops and laptops thinking they will tramp Intel, they were wrong. CMT is excellent for multithreading(and us linux guys), not games. An AMD CPU producing 100 fps versus an Intel CPU producing 180 fps is the reason why AMD is suffering.

Keeping in mind Vulkan(OpenGL) and DirectX12 will veer away from CPU bottlenecking by continuously feeding the graphics card without stopping(latency), which will also be load dependent. If the game doesn't need the entire GPU running full clocks to get 120 fps, then it will only feed the minimum, continuously.

After looking at AMD's roadmap and the FuryX in more detail and also looking at the new 300 series cards, I must say AMD has put in the right kind of hardwork and they must play catch up fast...prices already reflect that. I take back anything negative about AMD.

Now, AMD has only one thing left, they really need to be vulgar with OpenCL.

Go AMD Go!
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Re: The fate of AMD

Postby barney » Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:12 pm

With PS4 and Xbox one AMD must be getting some bank in to put towards other projects don't you think?

Are AMD GPU's not good with Linux? I was thinking of getting a I7 with a AMD 300 card (will dual boot) but if Linux and AMD are not great I will go Nvidia.
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Re: The fate of AMD

Postby barney » Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:17 pm

I do really hope AMD can get back up as we need the competition.
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Re: The fate of AMD

Postby Xanayoshi » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:04 am

barney wrote:I do really hope AMD can get back up as we need the competition.

I say let AMD (ati) and Nvidia die. Throw in some Seagate and Western Digital in there, too. Foxconn..definitely Foxconn..needs to die. Console wars..provide no benefit to the paying customers. They can all die too.
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Re: The fate of AMD

Postby pam » Fri Jul 10, 2015 3:11 am

barney, you can buy an AMD 300 series card for linux......errr........catalyst is practically retarded as far as linux is concerned...something which works only on
arch/manjaro and raw ubuntu.....I may be 100% wrong, because I just cant get catalyst installed on debian...unless I commit psychological suicide.
NOTE:The above problem may be subjective only to laptops because I dont have a desktop.

AMD cards(laptops+desktop) work OUB(out of box), considering the amount of opensource support that comes from AMD.
barney, if you are ok with using open source drivers, then go ahead and get a 300 series card. I have faced NO problems with the open-source drivers.

I wont lie, Nvidia desktop cards have no problems with the proprietary drivers and it doesnt matter which linux you use. I dont know if laptops face the same problems as desktop cards.

The profit made by selling consoles is not much, considering all the hardwork is being done by sony and partners and breathing down on the neck of AMD when a
hardware level problem occurs. AMD's profit is marginal not something they can bank on. A console, is only good as the games that are made for it. The
CPU+graphics is irrelevant.

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barney wrote:I do really hope AMD can get back up as we need the competition.

I say let AMD (ati) and Nvidia die. Throw in some Seagate and Western Digital in there, too. Foxconn..definitely Foxconn..needs to die. Console wars..provide no benefit to the paying customers. They can all die too.


Thats a really sober argument. In an ideal world, that would be the natural order of things. Though, I still think AMD dying is the worse thing possible for the tech
industry....they are heading the HSA foundation. Qualcomm, Samsung, Mediatek etc are all partners. With AMD developing the IP for HSA, they are paving the
way for future tech....where the hardware and operating system are oblivious.....and eventually making javascript run on GPU only. Intel, circa 2015, is now concerned with advancing technologies and not just moving to the next orgasmic nanometer node.
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Re: The fate of AMD

Postby Xanayoshi » Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:32 am

I'm not against AMD so much as a whole, just specifically the graphics cards, and Nvidia..well

Ok, cards on the table, specifically Graphics, yes my Nvidias are able to do whatever, and it is pretty cool that I can remote directly to my Androids, but this is purely swimming in Windows waters. Absolutely pointless on Linux as far as I can tell, at least when it comes to gaming. My Intel chips, the newer ones at any rate, my Pentium, i5, and i7 can run any Linux game that runs native, and then we are talking about the levels of Graphics, which without DirectX11 the cards can only do so much. and of course no sli support. When it comes to workstations both Nvidia and AMD more or less repackage and distribute different driver sets for optimization..you know..instead of just offering the drivers.

As far as CPU though, I need GPU if I am using AMD, then I am full circle to where I would be better off with a Nvidia GPU if I am using Linux.

In the world of ARM, I am an avid supporter of AMD.

But on GPU, Nvidia and AMD seem like they are caught up in some sort of retarded nineties "extreme" marketing campaign, catering to a very specific demographic. This is insane, not as insane as buying McAfee for 7 billion dollars like Intel did, but still about as crazy as the actual John McAfee.

I don't think AMD will fold, but their days of supplying hardware that has high power for low end laptops can only last so long. As a company, focusing on the desktop is paramount to committing suicide. I think they have a better chance at the future focusing on mobile and server tech.
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Re: The fate of AMD

Postby pam » Sat Jul 11, 2015 12:42 pm

I agree with you Xanayoshi.
Blender devs are working with AMD to have Opencl ready to use in blender 2.75.

In the mean time....
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