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Re: video card swap

Postby deate » Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:02 pm

LeadFingers wrote:OK, here's What I think I know about Envy & Nvidia...

Envy picks one of 3 classes of drivers based on what card it thinks you have.
1) Nvidia-Legacy.... below GeForce 2 or Quadro 2
2) Nvidia-glx........ GeForce 3 & 4, and Quadro 4
3) Nvidia-glx-new... GeForce 6xxx, FX series, and above
before it downloads the driver script
it downloads and updates the latest dev .lib's
Then it downloads the driver script to /usr/share/envy/linux-restricted-modules-x.x.xx.x/nvidia
(after installing the driver, the original downloaded driver script is left here for future use)
(for those on poor dial-up that keeps timing out, DL the driver with FF,
transfer to above address, Envy will see it and install from there, next time you run envy)

The Nvidia driver isn't so much a driver as it is a script
that is a self unpacking Nvidia GUI installer,
that works across ANY nix platform. (pretty neat huh)
To unpack...
You MUST be in the root, with no "X" running, no glx, and need to be connected to the net.
You must also be in "runlevel 3" (which means you can't unpack & run, from "recovery Mode)
If you have used Envy, you prolly noticed all the drivers end with "-pkg1.run",
the different run levels contain software to make the driver compatible with the different nix kernels.
ie... -pkg2.run has all the goodies of -pkg1.run plus a few more kernel mods
Since Envy has already DL & updated all the dev.lib's, it only needs the core,
not the unpacking script or the kernel mods. (that's why we only see -pkg1.run)
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sudo sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.12-pkg1.run

This opens the Nvidia GUI, asks a few questions,
and essentially goes through the same process as Envy.
If you ran the -pkg1.run, and the kernel mods it needed for your machine were not in the pkg
It would DL & install the ones it needed, from the Nvidia site.

Sounds pretty easy to use doesn't it
Consider this...
Killing ALL glx, Killing "X" keeping your network connections or opening "PPP"
from a root level!
AND if all the .lib dependencies aren't met, it could bork your kernel mod
and your driver still wouldn't work!
Not for the faint of heart, or someone still learning their way around xorg
MUCH easier to play around with Envy & editing your xorg.conf

While DaddyX3 may be correct in that the core contains different drivers for different cards,
They may not. I don't know for sure!
I do know that you can swap-out a higher card in the same driver class, without reinstalling your driver.
Will you boost your card if you do reinstall?
Don't know, never ran "glxgears" before & after, to verify.
Would be interesting to find out though. :D


OK!!! I read this three times, and it gave me a headache every time!When my eyes finally uncross,I'll try to get behind your concept...until then...see spot run, run spot run.... :lol:
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Re: video card swap

Postby cowboy » Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:34 pm

Wouldn't it b easier, just uninstall the Nvidia drivers, drop down to the Vesa..then turn off the computer..install your card.restart..and then reinstall the Nvidia drivers again?
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Re: video card swap

Postby deate » Sun Mar 09, 2008 8:23 pm

cowboy wrote:Wouldn't it b easier, just uninstall the Nvidia drivers, drop down to the Vesa..then turn off the computer..install your card.restart..and then reinstall the Nvidia drivers again?


Exactly, I thought that's what I asked earlier, and I believe that's the course I'll try.
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Re: video card swap

Postby LeadFingers » Sun Mar 09, 2008 8:53 pm

cowboy wrote:Wouldn't it b easier, just uninstall the Nvidia drivers, drop down to the Vesa..then turn off the computer..install your card.restart..and then reinstall the Nvidia drivers again?


The whole point of what I was saying is, you don't need to uninstall your drivers just to swap your card.
simply turn off your box, swap cards, and boot up.
After you've booted up, if you think you can gain performance by reinstalling the driver,
Download & install the latest Envy, uninstall the driver, turn right around and reinstall !

If you do get a newer version of Envy, you will prolly get a newer driver.
A newer driver (even on the same card) WILL boost your FPS

Example... A horrid little on-board Geforce2 (I can't find a way to disable it!!!!)
*******************************Nvidia-71.86.04***********

leadfingers@leadfingers-desktop:~$ glxgears
3223 frames in 5.0 seconds = 644.433 FPS
3231 frames in 5.0 seconds = 646.054 FPS
3229 frames in 5.0 seconds = 645.733 FPS
3227 frames in 5.0 seconds = 645.241 FPS
X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
leadfingers@leadfingers-desktop:~$


*****************************Nvidia-71.86.01***************

leadfingers@leadfingers-desktop:~$ glxgears
3187 frames in 5.0 seconds = 637.354 FPS
3186 frames in 5.0 seconds = 637.173 FPS
3192 frames in 5.0 seconds = 638.323 FPS
3191 frames in 5.0 seconds = 638.122 FPS
X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
leadfingers@leadfingers-desktop:~$
Not a huge leap ~1.2% , for the nvidia legacy
but the difference will be much greater on the newer cards.
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Re: video card swap

Postby cowboy » Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:30 pm

Well if this is any help..looking at my Nvidia set up..found I was running a real outdated version..opened up Envy and clicked install Nvidia Driver and it uninstalled the old version and brought me up current with the latest which I believe is 169.09 at least for my card..this was three days ago.. :|
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Re: video card swap

Postby deate » Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:43 pm

Dear Mr. LeadFingers, you have obviously mistaken me for someone who has a clue about what you are talking about sometime :mrgreen: Thanks for all the help, I finally get it(now that you put it in color)...Sometimes a 2X4 to the head will get my attention also, feel free to use one when ever you deem necessary...p.s. sometimes you may need to whack me more than once...thanks again!!!!!!
p.p.s....I'm not looking for frame rates, just hoping to get rid of the in and out pink text, hoping it's not a monitor, or a lapse back to the days of Timothy Leary :lol: you can only guess how this would mess with my demented mind
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Re: video card swap

Postby Baphomet » Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:52 pm

LeadFingers wrote:OK, here's What I think I know about Envy & Nvidia ... GeForce 2 or Quadro 2 ... Nvidia-glx-new... dev .lib's ... self unpacking Nvidia GUI installer ... "runlevel 3" ... -pkg2.run ...Not for the faint of heart...

:shock:

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Re: video card swap

Postby LeadFingers » Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:11 pm

cowboy wrote:Well if this is any help..looking at my Nvidia set up..found I was running a real outdated version..opened up Envy and clicked install Nvidia Driver and it installed the old version and brought me up current with the latest which I believe is 169.09 at least for my card..this was three days ago.. :|

If you had gotten the latest Envy, you could have installed 169.12,
which would prolly give you a 2%-4% boost over the 169.09

If you really want to know...
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glxgears

let this run for 4 or 5 lines
copy & paste the results
DL & install the latest Envy
reinstall drivers
run glxgears again
copy & paste next to old ones
I think you will be surprised at the difference
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Re: video card swap

Postby LeadFingers » Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:19 pm

deate wrote:p.p.s....I'm not looking for frame rates, just hoping to get rid of the in and out pink text

Are you sure it's not FireFox or ISP related? ;) ;)
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Re: video card swap

Postby cowboy » Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:43 pm

I knew better...had it going real good now I have to use a magnifier to see what I am writing...Reinstalled Nvidia drivers still is giving me 196.09..maybe if I update Envy.??? Cannot change resolutions now had this problem in Hardy fixed it yesterday..but cannot do it here
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