KDE Welcome!

[pam]

Great going!
Ultimate Edition 3.5 will have KDE 4.8.
Heard a lot of good things about KDE 4.8 .... a chiseled DE with everything aligned and finished and very low bug infestation...Phew

Hopefully the KDE guys have understood that OS integration is by far the only make or brake situation and not being pretty.

If integrating KDE vs Gnome for Ultimate Edition 3.5 as a primary DE produces far lesser crashes and bugs then by all means its inclusion is unquestionable.
Its been almost a decade since kde is rivetting back into action...picking up from its shables of experimentation and standardization

For some reason my Ultimate Edition 3.4 LTS with gnome classic is too good to be true and im sure Ultimate Edition 3.5 will be no different.
I repeat this again : Tried other distro's and windies 7 .. distro hopping for the best one is unstable, unreliable and Windies gives me BSOD time and again.

Ultimate Edition is the final word in Desktop computing and no one better than the Mahn Himself knows and understands this.

Probably the biggest problem of Ultimate Edition is updating Mobo Bios and controlling hardware with GUI utilities like: GPU clock and fan speed etc AND native gaming support by companies and the banking sector.

To TheeMahn and The Ultimate Edition oz team
Thank You.

[ultanoobr4]

I don't like KDE, but glad someone does

[pam]

Its not about liking.
KDE 3.x ruled long before gnome became a staple.
Everone hoped KDE 4.x version would be an optimized, stable and reliable DE-- but it wasnt so and was boycotted overnight for GNOME.
KDE 4.x became nothing to many.
I clearly remember gnome kept randomly crashing when KDE 3.5 ruled, extremely unreliable and you'd loose your documents if you used openoffice for serious work and only fedora core offered a "somewhat" stable implementation.
Its a "standardization" thing. Every few years linux itself and major DE's like gnome and kde get overhauled.
standardization sucks in the linux world but good fruition is always imminent.
Now approaching version 5.0 --- which is highly reminiscent of the original kde days but optimized for newer hardware.
Gnome 3.4 might not have thorough integrity when coupled with ubuntu ............ something Theemahn and Team knows best. His judgement hasn't been flawed and there might be a very good reason why he chose KDE against GNOME.
You dont want your k3b or brasero crashing while your burning a DVD or copying 40+GB of data via usb devices....something Ultimate Edition does very well.
Having used kde 4.6 i can say- kde became 98% complete as a reliable and 80% complete as a usable, thouroughly integrated DE.
Emotions change and I can imagine that 5.0 could be something else.
I hate this or like that changes as linux churns.

[dougal]

Pam - a very interesting post. You always have very refreshing posts too. Full of insight and helpful tips in the ones I have read.

I tried KDE when it first came out (long time ago now) and liked the look of it. It crashed, because my system didn't have the resources to handle it. I tried it again when I got a new PC with plenty of everything - it still crashed.
I have tried it with every release of Ultimate Edition and something always goes wrong with my system. Now I am not against KDE, it is a very nice environment and like you say it is 98% reliable and 80% usable (for you).
I would love to use it full time but, until I get a chance to try it properly on a finished version of Ultimate Edition 3.5, it will remain on my back-burner.
Maybe that 2% unreliability is the bit that always affects my desktop environment.
I do some critical work with my computers at times and I can't afford to be suddenly unable to do anything.
I believe also that if you find Gnome unreliable then, like me perhaps you have been unlucky in not getting it to work with the computer set-up/s that you have.
I have always found Gnome to be totally reliable and only gets upset when I do something experimental or wrong.
There is no doubt that graphics handling in Linux in general has come a long way but, even today major manufacturers let us down by not keeping up-to-date with our releases and it sucks. Yes I believe that it is the graphics handling in KDE that has problems (I may be wrong...).
Android has shown the way. It is rock steady with graphics and most other things because manufacturers see the World-wide appeal of the system and make sure that their stuff works.
I can't help feeling that the desktop environment is getting left behind and with it dedication to sorting out the differences in computer systems and desktop environments is lagging.
Thee does his best with what he has to work with. If I remember correctly he was not in favour of KDE but, has bowed to the craving of some to put KDE on as default and try to make it work.
For me and probably lots of others there will be a need for the rock steady reliability of Gnome for some time to come.
I am forever hopeful that KDE will be sorted out once and for all but, for the moment that 2% unreliability doesn't cut it.

[pam]

I too would prefer gnome-classic any day over other DE's..........

Back in the pre gnome and KDE days there was CDE( common desktop environment ) that most people used and i used it with red hat linux. Never thought anything could replace it. Few years ahead gnome and kde were making strides. KDE became a universal sought standard for DE's with linux. KDE was a complete stable DE.
Gnome offered a simple interface but was buggy and required excess CLI usage.
Soon thereafter in 2005 when kde 3.5 fully matured with OS'es like mandrake linux and suse...i couldn't think of anything. For people who have used KDE in the early days will swear by it and most people prefered mandrake linux on their power pc MACbook's-- simply because, apart from the eye candy and stability, it was uber fast, had 3d surround sound, highly utilitarian( something what Ultimate Edition is), ,absolute hardware support with optimal driver configurations( imagine "overclocking" your soundcard), ability to play all the video standard's at the time with Kaffeine,you could also install any hardware if it had a windowz driver(.bin) through ndiswrapper. YOU didnt need much of CLI workarounds, everything was automated but ofcourse the internet wasn't widespread and the repository stuff oblivious. So no one cared much to install programs through the internet.
It turned my pentium III compaq armada m700 into a modern day macbook with a netgear wifi G pcmcia card installed via ndiswrapper.

Im not saying i "only" want to use gnome-classic......but it is what it is -- a classic that might soon phase out with its dying standards. And what if support for it totally Dies, i mean a dead beast needs a burial( gnome is already running like a cyborg). Its going to get very difficult for TheeMahn to integrate it, let alone be stable. TheenMahn compiles everthing on his Phenom II chipset along with other intel based systems along with other testers which renders everything stable and reliable.
But are most people willing to use Gnome 3.4 default interface( with no right clicks). It even has a reset command for a buggered up screen!!
I always panned other DE's back when i used KDE and profanity emerged when someone spoke about Gnome 2.x.
Now for almost 5 years im using gnome.

Theemahn and Ultimate Edition team understands its not a good thing to stick in a five year old only rubber tyre(from a godown) into a Koenigsegg but a better option "might" be a steel belted/ carbon rubber one.

The best thing is to keep an open mind.
KDE 5.0 brings in some promise but 5.2 might just change beliefs..........3 years from now who knows??

ROSA is another 'excellent" KDE DE technologically-wise which i guarantee is a love affair to remember 10 years into the future.....

Now im blabbering................

[portaro]

KDE on Ultimate Edition yes this is a big new.