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(XFCE) Ultimate Edition with XFCE DE?

Postby Driver » Wed Jul 30, 2014 12:47 am

Hello, and thanks for everything.

I had some issues around the time UE3.0 was current, switched to Mint (nothing against Ultimate Edition, a Mint XFCE disc was the first disc that I managed to get through the installation and I just kind of stuck with it out of a lack of gumption, I guess). Therefore, I have been out of the loop. Rather more recently, my laptop died completely and I have been using my Android 2.7 cell phone exclusively. My friend has an i5 laptop (using it now, wow a physical keyboard and a screen that I can read are... indescribably awesome :lol: ). I put Mint XFCE on it at the same time as I switched to it to simplify teaching/explaining, as he is not computer savvy. Last week he finally brought it to me to have it updated to the current Mint 17 XFCE. I was recently able to purchase a used hard drive for my desktop (32-bit AMD Athlon XP 2200+, 1 gig RAM, 128meg nVidia FX5200) and am going to get it up and running again. I have the urge to install an Ultimate OS again :thumbs: .

Is there a version of Ultimate Edition that's based on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS that not only uses XFCE as its DE, but also works properly (IOW, can play video at least) with my old nVidia graphics card?

Also: Off-topic, but I'll save a thread and ask it here... I've been reading some of the front page entries and I saw where TheeMahn mentioned that he is planning on replacing the "1000 employees of Cannonical," or something like that. I can only assume that he means that, at some point in the future, he'll be basing Ultimate Edition on something other than Ubuntu, and I'm guessing that means Debian. If that's the case, I don't have any problem with that in theory, since as an end-user I'm more concerned with getting there than what the builder of the vehicle chose to put under the hood (lol) - and I trust him to know far more about such things on his even hisworst day than I ever will. I do have two questions, though. First, will it be based on Debian Old err, Stable or will it have the same versions of all the apps/DEs/etc. that we've grown accustomed to in the past couple of years? For example, XFCE 4.10 was released approximately two years and three months ago, yet Debian Stable is still (AfaIK) using 4.8. It seems odd (to me) how a thing can be called "stable" when newer releases that fix bugs are not allowed, BtW, but they let companies call their products whatever they like in commercials, so I am guessing it's some kind of marketing tactic or somesuch :confused: . Regardless of their naming conventions, will a future Debian-based version of Ultimate Edition use current - or, at most, IDK, within two years of the OS' release date? And, secondly, will PPAs still work? I have been told that they're for Ubuntu and its derivatives and that I shouldn't automatically assume that they'll work on a (more directly than Ubuntu, I mean) Debian-based OS.

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Re: (XFCE) Ultimate Edition with XFCE DE?

Postby Xanayoshi » Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:24 pm

XFCE on Ubuntu, is a sad mix of Gnome/XFCE, Mint does away with much of this and honestly, is one of the best looking XFCE DE out of the box hands down. Debian Stable uses 4.8 and interestingly enough has been debated upon as to whether it will be the main DE for Debian but this doesn't exactly matter with Debian. The idea is that XFCE is more stable than Gnome.
This does not apply to unstable. There are levels of Debianness.

There is Stable, Unstable, and SID.

SID can be unstable but it is always SID.
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Here is where you would go to get cutting edge but this requires high maintenance.
Stable, Wheezy
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Current Stable, Pretty low maintenance
and the next, Unstable Jessie
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Which at this point is pretty stable, but there can be issues, and across the board there is the mighty freeze, so it is with Debian. You can still run 4.10 XFCE, in many ways.


Still, if there were an Ultimate Debian, I would certainly use it. It would be Ninja Glorious.
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Re: (XFCE) Ultimate Edition with XFCE DE?

Postby TheeMahn » Fri Aug 01, 2014 2:41 am

I tried to open an eye to mate developers, quite frankly shocks me at the minimal compare data from our repo and what they have. Well now this deb has zero errors the same package w/o error, and adopt it. I wrote software for one porpose and that was not to fix thier errors. I do not care how you slice it up a perfect world is coming at least from the software side. Try as you must to dice it up KDE, Android it is coming and nothing can be done about it, no I grant you not 1000's of programmers 1 individual and 1 nasty application with years of development from one individual. I won't deny it... I was prior a cracker and fully understand reverse engineering. I have dropped many a fella offline permanently. It has been greater then 7 years ago so FBI etc. Statuate of limitations, infers release me of my prior malicious tasks. I did not rape or kill. I have spent since 2006 turning over a new leaf to ensure perfection for all. Even though you personally can not see it today, I can ensure you it is coming.

I have been hearing the Matrix, Terminator kinda things. A poor interpresentaion of the future. I have watched repostorm "repair" itself it is not bulletproof, by any standards. One could then question what is the standards. I have openly showed the damage it can encure and has thusfar went un-noticed. I prefer it that way advancment continues, when the smoke settles they are no more; don't say I did not say so. I will live on an island I just paid for and deligate authority for your better good, one then questions what I preceive is "your better good". Even my GF calls me Cocky, if she can get over it so can you.
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Re: (XFCE) Ultimate Edition with XFCE DE?

Postby BBOSAK2143 » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:36 am

Personally think XFCE is just fine. NIce small desktop that is efficient enough for many users that have smaller devices and hard drives. Not all of us can have TB and greater hard drives and house all these programs. Sure people as TheeMahn and myself house all kinds of programs and systems having plenty of space, since we have larger drives. Not everyone has that luxury so is once again great TheeMahn takes this all into consideration. Far as Terminator and Matrix happening when our systems become perfected, i do not see it happening. I do see this perfection as a safe haven and great calming effect from the daily grind. Simply put many things in one's every day tasks are difficult and very enduring, so is great when least our computers do not muster the same hassle.

Presently, I can say computing has been beyond my wildest beliefs since I have joined Ultimate. I have learned a great deal of things and no longer see all this a chore since things function correctly. Now, that is a major plus when you think of how life is when have to work 10-12hrs a day, come back home get on the computer takes a few minutes to get something done instead of an hour. This is a fact many people need to understand. I have made this statement a few times and will do so again: "A computer is a tool that helps us complete a job. Same as I would use a Craftsman Ratchet/Socket combo to remove a bolt!" Sure we use our computers for games and enjoyment also, but what counts greatly is what I stated above. Just too many times in life when time is of the essence and is awesome that time is saved. Always thanks for all developers in Linux for making it this way.
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Re: (XFCE) Ultimate Edition with XFCE DE? (Somewhat Long)

Postby Driver » Mon Aug 04, 2014 11:38 pm

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Re: (XFCE) Ultimate Edition with XFCE DE?

Postby Driver » Mon Aug 04, 2014 11:52 pm

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Re: (XFCE) Ultimate Edition with XFCE DE?

Postby BBOSAK2143 » Tue Aug 05, 2014 12:08 pm

So you're in your 40's, Driver? Remember those days and to be honest, the way the medical profession sees all of us(over 40), no one in in stellar health. At 51, I find I have more tasks to accomplish, then I ever did 30 years ago, so no time to get ill and just keep moving. I never bother with doctors as all they ever want to do is put in people's mind they are doing bad and sorry, I am not up to buying that ever. I eat what I enjoy eating, still a fast food junkie as I was in my teens. Just eat a bit less is all. Exercise? I see enough of that working on the 2acres I have, no need to spend money on a gym membership. Plenty of walking at work also. Worst habit I have these days is I do smoke cigarettes. Of course, I make my own, so less of the chemicals going in. Suggest that to all smokers out there as the manufactured types tend to make you cough 10x more. Have been making my own for 12 years now.

Next, you are saying no keyboard on you phone? Well, I can tell you, I have one and these big fingers of mine seem to muff spelling anyway. I surely wish, someone would think about magnifying the keyboard a bit, so those of us that have fingers larger than toothpicks can use them better! Is wild though as you are talking about a 2-core Laptop and to imagine, I now own a 2-core phone. Is just amazing how fast technology is moving. Sure, I did benefit last year as the 2-core laptops getting sold out to make way for the 4-cores, made it possible to get one for less than $400. Enjoy the laptop also, but to me is more of a replacement for when things go haywire with the PC. Thought by now, I would be taking advantage of it for work, but seems no job at present that I have requires it.

Agree, XFCE is a decent desktop no just for necessity but for everyday usage. I extremely enjoy the upper taskbar where I can have all the nice weather information and a fullsize date. That function is gone these days in Gnome. Am definitely looking forward as XFCE moves on, the improvements that will happen as say is one of the finer desktops. What I can never believe is for the lower size how much function you get for it. Is totally amazing, as at the complete size of that desktop, Gnome is not even functional. Yes, have been a major fan/fanatic about Gnome since I started using LInux and can never deny it. LXDE has also amazed me on being a desktop that will stand til the last piece of Linux is running. I watched it do this and is incredible that desktop is absolutely bulletproof and hoping XFCE will follow. I will never build a Linux OS without LXDE or XFCE since they are so dependable, useful and reasonably sized. KDE, agree too much like Windows. Sorry, do not want to go back to a trainwreck OS. Will stick with my build which I depend on and hardly ever does me wrong or upsets me. Miss the earlier KDE version as were prettier. Am a major fanatic about looks of the desktop, but that is a different topic altogether.
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Re: (XFCE) Ultimate Edition with XFCE DE? (Somewhat Long)

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Re: (XFCE) Ultimate Edition with XFCE DE?

Postby Driver » Mon Aug 11, 2014 10:56 pm

I'm still not sure I understand you. You're saying that the version of MATE that the Mint folks use has errors in it? Like I mentioned, I use XFCE, myself, so I don't know personally one way or the other. But lots of people seem to use it and I haven't read about their computers crashing.

This computer stuff is a lot more complicated than it used to be - I really miss the days of flipping a switch and the computer's OS would appear instantly because the thing came from the factory with it already in the chips. Maybe that's where everything went wrong. I mean... Well, I had my Commodore for years and years and it never once crashed on me, so no errors in it. I guess it's when people start changing everything all the time that you get errors and stuff and have to keep sending us folks updates and then next day you turn the thing on and it must be broken again because BANG there's another doggone update you have to get and stuff. Maybe I better just keep what I've put on my desktop and on my buddy's (this) laptop, because right now they're booting and running fine, no crashes on them.

Sorry I dumbed the place down by posting. You guys have a good one, I wish you all good health, happiness, and a full belly.

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Re: (XFCE) Ultimate Edition with XFCE DE?

Postby billhedrick » Tue Aug 12, 2014 10:38 am

ehh... gimme the days when you put the cassette in the player and turned on the PET 2001! Seriously though, the older editions of Ultimate Edition had XFCE, odd number editions I recall. I really liked it, very clean and resource light! I can not promise this, but look out for Ultimate Edition 4.3 when Thee gets a chance to drop it.
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